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	<title>Comments on: Why is this on Wordpress?</title>
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		<title>By: Leisa Reichelt</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Leisa Reichelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@conan - we have Akismet running on the site for spam, however we don&#039;t censor comments, which I think is what you&#039;re referring to here. (Having said that, this discussion is months old, so I should probably close comments on it now. There is a new invigorated discussion about whether or not it is reasonably for Mark &amp; I to use Wordpress for a blog that supports a Drupal project over at the projectverity.com website if you want to continue this.

As we&#039;ve said many times in the months since this video was first recorded (and no, it was not artificial, that was my first experience of installing Drupal - having used Drupal a lot since then, yes I feel pretty silly looking back at it, but that is kind of the point, isn&#039;t it - those of us who have used Drupal a lot think of newbies questions/problems as being silly, which is not a good position to be taking), sorry, as we&#039;ve said many times, we chose Wordpress for this task because for what we needed it to do, it seemed like the right tool. You don&#039;t need a sledgehammer for most nails, do you? 

I&#039;m not going to get into answering all your other questions and challenges to our &#039;right&#039; to have opinions - go catch up on the D7UX project, which has now morphed into the Seven theme on Drupal.org and let the work speak for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@conan &#8211; we have Akismet running on the site for spam, however we don&#8217;t censor comments, which I think is what you&#8217;re referring to here. (Having said that, this discussion is months old, so I should probably close comments on it now. There is a new invigorated discussion about whether or not it is reasonably for Mark &amp; I to use Wordpress for a blog that supports a Drupal project over at the projectverity.com website if you want to continue this.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve said many times in the months since this video was first recorded (and no, it was not artificial, that was my first experience of installing Drupal &#8211; having used Drupal a lot since then, yes I feel pretty silly looking back at it, but that is kind of the point, isn&#8217;t it &#8211; those of us who have used Drupal a lot think of newbies questions/problems as being silly, which is not a good position to be taking), sorry, as we&#8217;ve said many times, we chose Wordpress for this task because for what we needed it to do, it seemed like the right tool. You don&#8217;t need a sledgehammer for most nails, do you? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get into answering all your other questions and challenges to our &#8216;right&#8217; to have opinions &#8211; go catch up on the D7UX project, which has now morphed into the Seven theme on Drupal.org and let the work speak for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Conan</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>Conan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Oh right, there IS no moderation or SPAM control on this site.

I wonder why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Oh right, there IS no moderation or SPAM control on this site.</p>
<p>I wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: Conan</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Conan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a Break!!!

I definitely understand the need for a certain level of objectivity and impartiality when it comes to improving Drupal - and I agree: Objectivity is critical.

However ... I feel like I&#039;m being hosed by these two. 

Which is to say, I agree with ADRINUX&#039;s observation that the video &#039;was actually artificial&#039; - a staged demonstration of faux-incompetence.

(I am reminded of those infomercials where they show someone splashing paint all over the place or hacking-away at a pan of brownies like a lumberjack with a spatula while the narrator&#039;s voice-over asks: &quot;Tired of this?&quot;)

WHY:

My reaction is precipitated by the fact that the whole D7UX-blog under-Wordpress thing is HIGHLY suspect... and begs several important questions:

 - If you aren&#039;t Drupal users (entrenched or otherwise), why are you even bothering to invest time/energy into this?

 - If you have a genuine/committed interest in contributing to the Drupal community, why wouldn&#039;t you demonstrate that commitment/genuine-interest by actually USING the platform in question for the subject-matter at hand? (the usability thing seems like a pretty weak excuse)

 - If you seriously cannot even figure out how to post a simple blog-entry in Drupal, you are beyond help. Drupal is a full-fledged blogging engine right-out-of-the-box and always has been. What seems to br the problem?

 - If you don&#039;t even use Drupal in any real-world settings and are (evidently) not even capable of setting it up with even the most BASIC features ... What business do you have making any suggestions on how to go about &#039;improving&#039; it? I&#039;m all for objectivity, but complete ignorance? What really qualifies you to have an opinion, much less offer us suggestions?

... I&#039;m sure I can think of more questions but these oughta do it for now.

Personally, I find Drupal very easy to use and I don&#039;t have any major issues with the user-interface. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s broken and therefore I don&#039;t think it needs fixin&#039;.

Come to think of it, I can&#039;t really imagine how Drupal&#039;s UI could be much simpler or straight-forward than it already is.

Niggardly Treatment is right: &quot;the whole, we can’t use Drupal for our blog excuse is lame.&quot;

This whole website seems LESS like an objective, impartial analysis of how to improve Drupal and MORE like a poorly-executed, pseudo-polemic/propaganda hit-job, designed to drum-up Wordpress users and/or discredit Drupal in a very back-handed, reverse-social-engineering sort of way.

Methinks Leisa &amp; Mark have some kind of vested interest in Wordpress (financial or otherwise).

Whether or not this comment gets past moderation will answer that question for me once and for all.

Your move...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a Break!!!</p>
<p>I definitely understand the need for a certain level of objectivity and impartiality when it comes to improving Drupal &#8211; and I agree: Objectivity is critical.</p>
<p>However &#8230; I feel like I&#8217;m being hosed by these two. </p>
<p>Which is to say, I agree with ADRINUX&#8217;s observation that the video &#8216;was actually artificial&#8217; &#8211; a staged demonstration of faux-incompetence.</p>
<p>(I am reminded of those infomercials where they show someone splashing paint all over the place or hacking-away at a pan of brownies like a lumberjack with a spatula while the narrator&#8217;s voice-over asks: &#8220;Tired of this?&#8221;)</p>
<p>WHY:</p>
<p>My reaction is precipitated by the fact that the whole D7UX-blog under-Wordpress thing is HIGHLY suspect&#8230; and begs several important questions:</p>
<p> &#8211; If you aren&#8217;t Drupal users (entrenched or otherwise), why are you even bothering to invest time/energy into this?</p>
<p> &#8211; If you have a genuine/committed interest in contributing to the Drupal community, why wouldn&#8217;t you demonstrate that commitment/genuine-interest by actually USING the platform in question for the subject-matter at hand? (the usability thing seems like a pretty weak excuse)</p>
<p> &#8211; If you seriously cannot even figure out how to post a simple blog-entry in Drupal, you are beyond help. Drupal is a full-fledged blogging engine right-out-of-the-box and always has been. What seems to br the problem?</p>
<p> &#8211; If you don&#8217;t even use Drupal in any real-world settings and are (evidently) not even capable of setting it up with even the most BASIC features &#8230; What business do you have making any suggestions on how to go about &#8216;improving&#8217; it? I&#8217;m all for objectivity, but complete ignorance? What really qualifies you to have an opinion, much less offer us suggestions?</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;m sure I can think of more questions but these oughta do it for now.</p>
<p>Personally, I find Drupal very easy to use and I don&#8217;t have any major issues with the user-interface. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s broken and therefore I don&#8217;t think it needs fixin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I can&#8217;t really imagine how Drupal&#8217;s UI could be much simpler or straight-forward than it already is.</p>
<p>Niggardly Treatment is right: &#8220;the whole, we can’t use Drupal for our blog excuse is lame.&#8221;</p>
<p>This whole website seems LESS like an objective, impartial analysis of how to improve Drupal and MORE like a poorly-executed, pseudo-polemic/propaganda hit-job, designed to drum-up Wordpress users and/or discredit Drupal in a very back-handed, reverse-social-engineering sort of way.</p>
<p>Methinks Leisa &amp; Mark have some kind of vested interest in Wordpress (financial or otherwise).</p>
<p>Whether or not this comment gets past moderation will answer that question for me once and for all.</p>
<p>Your move&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Niggardly Treatment</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>Niggardly Treatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about anyone else, but I was using the word &#039;elitist&#039; to describe  TheresNoWordInDrupal&#039;s attitude.

He wants Drupal to only be usable by a small, elite group, while everyone else should &#039;just use Wordpress, it&#039;s easier.&#039; this is bullshit, in my opinion.

The word &#039;elitist&#039; doesn&#039;t describe this blog, it&#039;s much the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about anyone else, but I was using the word &#8216;elitist&#8217; to describe  TheresNoWordInDrupal&#8217;s attitude.</p>
<p>He wants Drupal to only be usable by a small, elite group, while everyone else should &#8216;just use Wordpress, it&#8217;s easier.&#8217; this is bullshit, in my opinion.</p>
<p>The word &#8216;elitist&#8217; doesn&#8217;t describe this blog, it&#8217;s much the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas T</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several commenters have used the word &quot;elitist&quot; to criticize this blog, yet are refusing to listen to the discussion because it isn&#039;t taking place in Drupal.  Who&#039;s elitist? Don&#039;t throw out the conversation because you don&#039;t like the venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several commenters have used the word &#8220;elitist&#8221; to criticize this blog, yet are refusing to listen to the discussion because it isn&#8217;t taking place in Drupal.  Who&#8217;s elitist? Don&#8217;t throw out the conversation because you don&#8217;t like the venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Niggardly Treatment</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Niggardly Treatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry but the whole, “we can’t use Drupal for our blog” excuse is lame.

[...]

go back to using Wordpress, it’s easier.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That Wordpress is easier is the problem Mark and Leisa have been hired to fix.

Why don&#039;t you go off and use &#039;Elitist, Too Good For Noobs, CMS&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sorry but the whole, “we can’t use Drupal for our blog” excuse is lame.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>go back to using Wordpress, it’s easier.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That Wordpress is easier is the problem Mark and Leisa have been hired to fix.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you go off and use &#8216;Elitist, Too Good For Noobs, CMS&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: TheresNoWordInDrupal</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>TheresNoWordInDrupal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but the whole, &quot;we can&#039;t use Drupal for our blog&quot; excuse is lame.  There are Drupal blogs that are setup identical to a Wordpress blog, it can be done. 

Sorry, your notion of &quot;Drupal being too broken to use&quot; is nothing more than an excuse a lame one at that. 

If you want us to take you seriously then use Drupal or stop wasting our time.

Sorry, I do not consider you qualified to speak on Drupal, go back to using Wordpress, it&#039;s easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but the whole, &#8220;we can&#8217;t use Drupal for our blog&#8221; excuse is lame.  There are Drupal blogs that are setup identical to a Wordpress blog, it can be done. </p>
<p>Sorry, your notion of &#8220;Drupal being too broken to use&#8221; is nothing more than an excuse a lame one at that. </p>
<p>If you want us to take you seriously then use Drupal or stop wasting our time.</p>
<p>Sorry, I do not consider you qualified to speak on Drupal, go back to using Wordpress, it&#8217;s easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas T</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can argue all you want that this should have been in Drupal, but personally I likely wouldn&#039;t be following it if it was. I like Drupal and I design for it, but Drupal Groups is a confusing mess to me. To me it looks like too much information dumped on a page in apparently random order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can argue all you want that this should have been in Drupal, but personally I likely wouldn&#8217;t be following it if it was. I like Drupal and I design for it, but Drupal Groups is a confusing mess to me. To me it looks like too much information dumped on a page in apparently random order.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.T</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...what do you mean &quot;isn&#039;t&quot;.  The blog module is part of Drupal&#039;s core modules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;what do you mean &#8220;isn&#8217;t&#8221;.  The blog module is part of Drupal&#8217;s core modules.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.d7ux.org/why-is-this-on-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this nonsense discussion could have been avoided if you were using Drupal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this nonsense discussion could have been avoided if you were using Drupal.</p>
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